[18:51] mmg1charlie: has joined the chat
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[18:52] mmg1charlie: wasssssup ^.7
[18:52] Hester Zimmerman: Hey Charlie.
[18:52] Hester Zimmerman: How's it going?
[18:53] mmg1charlie: im good ^.7 better than last nite LAWL.
[18:53] mmg1charlie: u?
[18:53] mmg1charlie: sozz about whatever IRL s*** u have/had going on 6.4
[18:53] Hester Zimmerman: Thank you. It's all going to be better in the end.
[18:54] mmg1charlie: hooozahhh
[18:54] Dino Sordentini: hey charlieee!
[18:54] mmg1charlie: wassup dino ^.7
[18:54] Hester Zimmerman: You guys made up yet?
[18:54] mmg1charlie: LAWL.
[18:55] mmg1charlie: mehhh
[18:55] mmg1charlie: maybz
[18:55] mmg1charlie: im just in a good mood today
[18:55] mmg1charlie: anythin exciting happennn?
[18:55] mmg1charlie: any1 have any crazy/new theories since the vote last nite they want 2 talk about?
[18:56] Dino Sordentini: It seems the most suspected at this point in time are Chuck And Randi.
[18:56] mmg1charlie: mmm
[18:56] mmg1charlie: i disagree with 1
[18:56] Dino Sordentini: comments?
[18:57] Dino Sordentini: out of chuck and randi.
[18:57] Dino Sordentini: the odds of 1 of them being mafia.
[18:57] Dino Sordentini: are VERY high.
[18:57] mmg1charlie: i dont think chuck is suspicious
[18:57] mmg1charlie: id agree that randi is
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[18:57] mmg1charlie: or culd be considered
[18:57] mmg1charlie: i remember her vote being weird last nite, lemme check
[18:58] Hester Zimmerman: I heard Chuck defended himself well last night but I've yet to read the chat.
[18:58] Sergey: Chuck's odd because he said he was going to change his vote but did not.
[18:58] Hester Zimmerman: Who'd he vote? John?
[18:58] mmg1charlie: ya.
[18:58] mmg1charlie: and randi voted eddie
[18:58] mmg1charlie: but nao thinking about it
[18:59] Hester Zimmerman: Had Randi given any reason for anything anywhere?
[18:59] mmg1charlie: she told me she wuld, as i mentioned to sergey last nite, lawl
[18:59] mmg1charlie: ya lemme get it
[18:59] Hester Zimmerman: Okay.
[18:59] Sergey: Yes. She did.
[18:59] mmg1charlie: [00:38] Randi: I'm voting for him because of what I saw in the group chat with him just agreeing with everyone and not really contributing. He also made a comment that Sincerity pointed out to me that sounded very much like rolefishing
[00:39] Randi: Also, his response in your Flava thread was basically like "Oh yes, I agree with Charlie, and this is probably what a traitor would do to be found!"
[00:39] Randi: casting suspisions based on speculation/assumption
[18:59] mmg1charlie: [00:40] Randi: And I know he said last round that it takes awhile for him to warm up to people or whatever, but... we're past the honeymoon stage <3
[18:59] mmg1charlie: [00:42] Randi: I also noticed he's always in the main chat even when he's not around, which isn't exactly BAD because it's always good to know what's going on all the time... but he never brings other stuff up when he's around!
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[19:00] mmg1charlie: LAWL do u need me to repaste?
[19:00] Sergey: Ha! At Sincerity pointing something out to her.
[19:00] Dino Sordentini: Well is this R1 or R2?
[19:01] Dino Sordentini: And at R1 she knew she was third-party, right?
[19:01] mmg1charlie: thiz is like.. yesterday or the day before
[19:01] Hester Zimmerman: (This chat is driving me freaking crazy, missing every other line.)
[19:01] Dino Sordentini: oh so she knew she was mafia at this point.
[19:01] mmg1charlie: hester ill paste her reasoning to u in IM
[19:01] Hester Zimmerman: Thanks Charlie.
[19:01] Sergey: Right. She posted the invisibility thread on Sincerity and then dropped her suspicion on her in favor of Susan.
[19:02] Sergey: She said she thought Sincerity was town after that point.
[19:14] mmg1charlie: ok so dino why are chuck and randi so suspicious nao?
[19:16] Sergey: Can I answer why Randi may be suspicious?
[19:16] Dino Sordentini:
maskmafia1.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fairgrounds&action=display&thread=329[19:16] Dino Sordentini: The thread proposes a case of Scum Vs. Dumb.
[19:17] Dino Sordentini: is he scum or did he just eff up a few times to incriminate himself accidentally?
[19:17] Dino Sordentini: And yes. Sergey you can present the Randi shit.
[19:17] Sergey: For me the thing about Randi is that she's easily persuaded off of her suspicions.
[19:17] Sergey: And that she's only had one now after Susan (Eddie).
[19:18] Sergey: And, like Chuck, if she thought Eddie was scum, she should be able to provide everyone evidence.
[19:18] mmg1charlie: sozz was afk for a sec, reading up
[19:18] Sergey: Chuck's situation was with Harriet, though.
[19:18] Hester Zimmerman: Randi needs to get involved more.
[19:18] Hester Zimmerman: She woudl be my top choice for low-lying scum.
[19:18] Hester Zimmerman: *would
[19:19] Dino Sordentini: The only people imo that are loud with their opinions are CREW, Charlie
[19:19] Dino Sordentini: and
[19:19] Dino Sordentini: that's it.
[19:19] Sergey: I think Zhao is loud.
[19:19] Sergey: Not on AIM, but the board.
[19:19] Dino Sordentini: Yeah but his jive is hard to understand and
[19:20] Hal Benjamin: has joined the chat
[19:20] mmg1charlie: LAWL. im not loud enuff apparently.
[19:20] Dino Sordentini: I dont see him a lot.
[19:20] Dino Sordentini: charlie I said jur name.
[19:20] mmg1charlie: no i no
[19:20] Sergey: Well, you also weren't online for the past week.
[19:20] Sergey: >_>
[19:20] Sergey: Hello, Hal.
[19:20] Hester Zimmerman: Hi Hal.
[19:20] Hal Benjamin: Sergey.
[19:20] Hester Zimmerman: Who'd Rachel vote for?
[19:20] mmg1charlie: but no one haz responded to my post yet that wuznt specifcally addressed in it, even tho i asked
[19:20] Hal Benjamin: Congrats on your lynch yesterday!
[19:20] Hester Zimmerman: Which post Charlie?
[19:20] Scott: I'll be back in a few, getting food.
[19:21] mmg1charlie: pg 3 voting
[19:21] Sergey: Charlie, that's how I felt about my Sincerity case.
[19:21] Dino Sordentini: well Charlie I saw I was a suspect and I was like <_< eff this, eff you, and eff this entire post. XD
[19:21] mmg1charlie: starts w/ "all my friends are dead"
[19:21] Sergey: Dyno.. >_>
[19:21] Sergey: He has some good points, Charlie does.
[19:21] mmg1charlie: ill get the link ^.7
[19:21] Dino Sordentini: I'll read it.
[19:22] mmg1charlie:
maskmafia1.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=fairgrounds&thread=304&page=3#1583[19:22] Dino Sordentini: reading now
[19:22] Dino Sordentini: lmao I found ti first
[19:22] Sergey: How does everyone feel about Xaric at this point?
[19:22] Dino Sordentini: I win a prize
[19:22] mmg1charlie: kk just linking for hester
[19:22] Dino Sordentini: free tanning for the month?
[19:22] Sergey: It's odd that Jordan would forget him twice in a row.
[19:22] Dino Sordentini: Jordan keeps ofrgetting his vote XD
[19:22] Dino Sordentini: he voted eddie I think
[19:22] Sergey: I know.
[19:22] Dino Sordentini: short joke.
[19:22] Sergey: He voted Eddie?
[19:22] mmg1charlie: ya.
[19:22] Dino Sordentini: I think that's what Jordan said.
[19:22] mmg1charlie: with randi
[19:23] Dino Sordentini: I remember someone told me Day 1 that those two had a relationship
[19:23] Dino Sordentini: unless that was chuck
[19:23] Dino Sordentini: hold on
[19:23] Dino Sordentini: im confused
[19:23] Sergey: Eddie and Victoire were the ones that had a relationship.
[19:23] Hester Zimmerman: Well, Charlie, I agree with your points in that post except that I'm convinced Dino is town, and Flava appears to be slowly getting into the game.
[19:23] Dino Sordentini: yeah im cnonfused. I take all that back XD
[19:24] mmg1charlie: ok.
[19:24] Sergey: I think Dyno's a asshole, but I do think he's town.
[19:24] Hester Zimmerman: Gotta go out to dinner, logging out, I'll be back.
[19:24] Hester Zimmerman: has left the chat
[19:25] Sergey: What I don't like is people that aren't posting anything of substance hurling votes at other people not posting anything of substance.
[19:25] Sergey: >_>
[19:25] Dino Sordentini: Yeah. You gotta throw substances first.
[19:26] mmg1charlie: i.. dk what that sentence means. can u reword it?
[19:26] Sergey: I don't like people voting for other people on the grounds that they aren't saying much of substance.
[19:26] Sergey: when those people voting aren't saying much either.
[19:26] mmg1charlie: oh k
[19:26] Hal Benjamin: I agree with you, Sergey.
[19:27] Dino Sordentini: mhmm
[19:27] Hal Benjamin: Yes, making substantial posts cna be seen as pro-town.
[19:27] Sergey: I mean we need to start looking outside the box for scum targets. We can't afford to lock in on John and Flava again this round.
[19:27] Hal Benjamin: But, who's to say the mafia can't also do that?
[19:27] Sergey: You're right. They can.
[19:27] Hal Benjamin: This whole game is WIFOM.
[19:27] Hal Benjamin: :-(
[19:27] Sergey: But neither of the executed mafia really said much of substance.
[19:28] Hal Benjamin: True, but we can't assume that patterns will arise either.
[19:28] Sergey: We can't.
[19:28] Sergey: Who do you think is saying something of substance that could be mafia?
[19:28] Hal Benjamin: Well, I don't have a specific accusation there, I suppose.
[19:28] Sergey: *nods*
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[19:29] Hal Benjamin: I think we need to get together as a group and define what we think towniness is.
[19:29] Hal Benjamin: Although, that won't be helpful either.
[19:29] Sergey: That's really impossible.
[19:29] Hal Benjamin: Because then we're giving the mafia a list of behaviors to follow.
[19:29] mmg1john: thanks guys for voting sincerity
[19:29] Sergey: There's no set criteria we can just check off.
[19:29] mmg1john: i would have been a goner
[19:29] Dino Sordentini: Yeah the victory is that you're still here. not at all that we got one maf out.
[19:30] Sergey: That said, I do think mafia could benefit more from not posting anything of substance.
[19:30] Sergey: Because they wouldn't be considered leaders of a mislynch.
[19:30] Sergey: And that would draw more suspicioun on someone.
[19:30] mmg1john: thanks dino what makes you say that though? lol
[19:30] Dino Sordentini: charlie
[19:30] mmg1charlie: ya?
[19:30] Dino Sordentini: why is that snippet that bartok said, suspicious?
[19:31] Hal Benjamin: But the thing to remember is that townies can lead mislynches too.
[19:31] mmg1charlie: it wuz a weak and easy answer.
[19:31] Sergey: Agreed.
[19:31] Hal Benjamin: I think the best way to snag a mafioso is to catch them in a lie.
[19:31] mmg1charlie: contradictions are key
[19:31] Hal Benjamin: But, of course, the difficulty is giving them something to lie about.
[19:31] Sergey: Do you think lying is a tell, then?
[19:31] Sergey: Gil said it wasn't.
[19:31] Sergey: But I'm torn.
[19:31] Hal Benjamin: Well, I suppose roles could influence that.
[19:32] mmg1charlie: which is why i think contradictions are more indicativ than lying LAWL.
[19:32] Dino Sordentini: oh I get it. because he accused the person everyone accused, chuck. for the obvious reason, and then he accused every lurker in the game XD
[19:32] Dino Sordentini: okay
[19:32] Dino Sordentini: I hate sifting through blocks of texts
[19:32] mmg1charlie: ya.
[19:32] Dino Sordentini: The only thign I read is alchol menus
[19:32] Hal Benjamin: Give me an example of what might be a useful contradiction.
[19:33] Hal Benjamin: I think you're right, just interested.
[19:33] Dino Sordentini: but it's funny how you slam me for not bringing proof on bartok, and then you say you suspect bartok too
[19:33] Dino Sordentini: XD
[19:33] Hal Benjamin: One problem with contradiction-seeking is that opinions change throughout the game.
[19:33] mmg1charlie: i didnt say ur suspicion of bartok wuz suspicious
[19:33] mmg1charlie: and hal ya
[19:34] Sergey: I don't think Bartok is suspicious as of now.
[19:34] Sergey: Just because of his actions last night.
[19:34] mmg1charlie: like u can change ur opinion of whehter or not some1 is suspious, esp. over time
[19:34] Dino Sordentini: what did he do last night?
[19:34] mmg1charlie: but liiiike
[19:34] Sergey: He continued to defend Sincerity and called us out for "blindsiding her" even after the votes were submitted.
[19:34] Dino Sordentini: well Sergey
[19:34] Sergey: It seems to me that mafia would've shut the fuck up at that point.
[19:35] mmg1charlie: idk im trying to think. usually it happens if other ppl compare notes or if they are in an argument
[19:35] Dino Sordentini: null tell in my opinion. because stopping defending, rather than beating the dead horse, would be more suspicious
[19:35] Dino Sordentini: than attempting to cut losses
[19:35] Sergey: Ah. I disagree.
[19:35] Hal Benjamin: I think looking at behaviors is problematic.
[19:35] Hal Benjamin: Although, I suppose it has worked for us these last rounds.
[19:36] mmg1john: can someone recap real fast why so many people voted for sincerity? (or send me a link where i can find out why)
[19:37] Dino Sordentini: I think the real question is...why didn't /you/ vote for Sincerity? huh? huh?
[19:37] Dino Sordentini: ahah I joke. ahah
[19:37] mmg1john: loll
[19:37] mmg1john: i didnt even know she was a target
[19:37] mmg1john: last time i checked i thought it was chuck
[19:37] Dino Sordentini: target?
[19:37] Sergey: It came down to that a group of people didn't think that any of the major lynch targets were scum.
[19:37] Hal Benjamin: I didn't vote for Sincerity because she was my scumbuddy.
[19:37] mmg1john: target meaning the person who was getting the majority of the votes
[19:37] Hal Benjamin: I'm really upset that she was lynched. :-(
[19:37] Dino Sordentini: Hal Benjamin 7:37 pm
I didn't vote for Sincerity because she was my scumbuddy.
[19:37] Dino Sordentini: Hal Benjamin 7:37 pm
I didn't vote for Sincerity because she was my scumbuddy.
[19:37] Dino Sordentini: Hal Benjamin 7:37 pm
I didn't vote for Sincerity because she was my scumbuddy.
[19:37] mmg1john: haha
[19:37] Dino Sordentini: HE PULLED A SUSAN!!!
[19:37] Sergey: No scum, Hal. No scum.
[19:38] Hal Benjamin: Oh, right.
[19:38] Dino Sordentini: If I make a case on Hal
[19:38] Dino Sordentini: IM using
[19:38] Dino Sordentini: Hal Benjamin 7:37 pm
I didn't vote for Sincerity because she was my scumbuddy.
[19:38] Hal Benjamin: I keep forgetting what i need to keep secret.
[19:38] Dino Sordentini: yeah Hal deflect suspicion with humor
[19:38] Dino Sordentini: do it up.
[19:38] Sergey: Hal and John.. who are your suspicions at this point? And Scott, if he's there.
[19:38] mmg1john: honestly?
[19:38] mmg1john: scott
[19:38] mmg1john: lol
[19:39] Hal Benjamin: Well, no offence, but there's definitely some weirdness about John.
[19:39] mmg1john: but i dont play on my suspiscions
[19:39] Sergey: Why's that?
[19:39] mmg1charlie: john i luv u LAWL.
[19:39] Sergey: What do you play on, then, John?
[19:39] mmg1john: instinct
[19:39] Sergey: Oh. Then who is your instinct?
[19:39] mmg1john: oh wrong word
[19:39] mmg1john: i meant
[19:39] mmg1john: impulse
[19:39] Sergey: Then who is your impulse?
[19:39] Sergey: As of now.
[19:39] mmg1john: hm i feel like im using the wrong word
[19:39] mmg1john: the message im trying to say is
[19:39] mmg1john: i freestyle
[19:40] Sergey: What does that mean?
[19:40] Dino Sordentini: I think that's swiggas job.
[19:40] Dino Sordentini: he be rappin even while crappin
[19:40] mmg1john: my actdions are usually spontaenous
[19:40] mmg1john: with the exception of my asian buddies
[19:40] Dino Sordentini: makin words sound good cuz he grew up in a hood
[19:40] Sergey: John, I don't want to sound like a douche.
[19:41] Sergey: But I'm going to.
[19:41] Dino Sordentini: John are you scum or dumb?
[19:41] Hal Benjamin: See - nobody can figure out John's motivations. He's playing a self-serving game.
[19:41] Sergey: I think you should start trying to find suspicions sooner than later.
[19:41] mmg1john: i can not reveal my allignment
[19:41] Dino Sordentini: lmao Sergey was a gentleman about it
[19:41] Dino Sordentini: I came out
[19:41] mmg1john: yeah np sergey
[19:41] mmg1john: lol
[19:41] Dino Sordentini: DOUCHIN IT UP
[19:41] Dino Sordentini: LMAOLMAOLMAO
[19:41] Sergey: Because we're going to start losing people soon.
[19:41] mmg1john: ite ill take your advice into account mann
[19:41] Hal Benjamin: You told me that you chose not to reveal your alignment - not that you can't.
[19:41] mmg1john: brb
[19:41] Dino Sordentini: John did you just say you cant reveal your alignment?
[19:41] Dino Sordentini: XDXDXD
[19:41] Sergey: Gah.
[19:42] Dino Sordentini: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[19:42] Dino Sordentini: I laugh more at this nigahiga
[19:42] Hal Benjamin: He tried to convince me yesterday that he is a useful role to the town.
[19:42] Dino Sordentini: who's wit me?
[19:42] mmg1charlie: nomg nigahiga!!!!!!
[19:42] mmg1charlie: hes my herooooo ^.7
[19:42] Dino Sordentini: He's prolly the doc. that's why gil died.
[19:42] Sergey: I don't know.
[19:42] Sergey: He was close to leaving last round.
[19:43] Hal Benjamin: Perfectly timed brb, btw
[19:43] Sergey: I'd think if he was something important he could've claimed?
[19:43] Dino Sordentini: the new ryan seems suspicious a little
[19:43] Sergey: Why's that?
[19:43] Dino Sordentini: what was perfectly times, hal?
[19:43] Hal Benjamin: John's brb.
[19:43] Hal Benjamin: Right when we had questions for him.
[19:43] Dino Sordentini: Maybe it's because he's replacing someone.
[19:44] Dino Sordentini: but it seems like he's playing a group game.
[19:44] Dino Sordentini: like he's getting info from mafia
[19:44] Dino Sordentini: before he jumps in
[19:44] Dino Sordentini: Like...I asked him if he was caught up and he said yes.
[19:44] Dino Sordentini: I was like 0.o
[19:44] Dino Sordentini: that's fast.
[19:44] Sergey: Just because he reads the boards means he's scummy?
[19:44] Dino Sordentini: no but a lot happened/
[19:44] Hal Benjamin: And you might have different definitions of "caught up"
[19:44] Sergey: He was replaced a few days ago.
[19:45] Dino Sordentini: Hal that's true.
[19:45] Sergey: And has been online a lot.
[19:45] Dino Sordentini: cuz there's a lot of logs and shit
[19:45] Sergey: I could see him being "caught up" or at least thinking that.
[19:45] Sergey: Well, yes, but I don't know why you'd go through all the logs.
[19:45] Hal Benjamin: Or brought up to speed by anyone, really.
[19:45] Sergey: I haven't even gone through all of them over again.
[19:45] Sergey: The logs are useful when you have a suspicion of someone and you want to look back on their actions.
[19:46] Sergey: Not just reading them all straight through.
[19:46] Sergey: That's my opinion, though.
[19:46] Hal Benjamin: Can I change the subject back to John?
[19:46] Dino Sordentini: But you need to at least read some logs
[19:46] Sergey: You do?
[19:46] Dino Sordentini: you cant jump in the game with nothing this late
[19:46] Sergey: There's cases on the board.
[19:46] Sergey: Tons of posts referencing logs, etc.
[19:46] Dino Sordentini: you need to know who suspects who and etc.
[19:46] Dino Sordentini: exactly
[19:46] Sergey: You can do that without looking at the logs.
[19:46] Hal Benjamin: I think the "caught up" case is highly circumstantial.
[19:46] Dino Sordentini: a lot of stuff to read over
[19:46] Dino Sordentini: logs was one example
[19:46] Dino Sordentini: of stuff to use.
[19:47] Sergey: But, yes, Hal. I agree with you.
[19:47] Dino Sordentini: if somethign references a log
[19:47] Dino Sordentini: it's pretty much the same effect.
[19:47] Sergey: What do you want to talk about concerning John?
[19:47] Hal Benjamin: I just want to hear everybody's opinion about him.
[19:47] Dino Sordentini: on John?
[19:47] Hal Benjamin: What's up with the "can't claim alignment" thing?
[19:47] Dino Sordentini: Yeah.
[19:48] Sergey: I don't know.
[19:48] Dino Sordentini: That's my question/
[19:48] Sergey: The only thing that could be pointing to would be a third party.
[19:48] Sergey: Or he's being a jackass.
[19:48] Hal Benjamin: So if he's using his oddball qualities to vote for whomever he wants.
[19:48] Hal Benjamin: That's inherently helpful to the mafia.
[19:48] Hal Benjamin: They want the vote to be spread apart.
[19:49] Sergey: Right but mafia can claim alignment.
[19:49] Sergey: Susan did.
[19:49] Hal Benjamin: Exactly.
[19:49] Hal Benjamin: Let me pull up some logs.
[19:49] Hal Benjamin: One second.
[19:49] Sergey: By the way, Nadia just posted this in the vote thread:
[19:49] Sergey: Well I was the only one with solid suspicions on Sincerity from the beginning of the round, and it wasn't until the end where I think people actually listened to me.
[19:49] Sergey: I just banged my head against the keyboard.
[19:50] Dino Sordentini: Sergey it's okay. Don't worry about it.
[19:50] Dino Sordentini: I made a joke
[19:50] Sergey: I don't know why she's so willing to say that unless it's trying to make herself more town, though.
[19:50] Dino Sordentini: read this
[19:50] Sergey: Because if she really is town she'd try to not claim whole responsibility for the lynch so she wouldn't get murdered
[19:51] Sergey: And clearly I was suspicious of Sincerity from the beginning of Round One, not just Round two.
[19:51] Sergey: That said, I'm not claiming responsibility for it.
[19:51] Sergey: >_>
[19:51] Hal Benjamin:
tinypaste.com/6c2f0[19:51] Dino Sordentini: Scott 5:16 pm
Alright, I'm back. Exactly how did this blindside end up happening then, I was under the impression it was a last second thing.
Dino Sordentini 5:17 pm
yes it was. it was all last minute.
nadia had convinced everyone. she led the charge on sincerity last minute. it was some feat of intelligence and charisma but she pulled it off and got sincerity out!
[19:51] Dino Sordentini: he was giving me a scum vibe so i suck him on nadia.
[19:52] Dino Sordentini: XD
[19:52] Sergey: Do you see what I'm saying though, Dyno?
[19:52] Dino Sordentini: Sergey. relax =P
[19:52] Sergey: If she was town why on earth would she claim responsibility for it?
[19:52] Dino Sordentini: Because she knows mafia doesn't see her as a threat
[19:52] Dino Sordentini: and I guess she took it personal that noone listened to her?
[19:52] Sergey: Um.
[19:52] Dino Sordentini: That's if she was town tho
[19:52] Sergey: She wasn't trying to push the Sincerity lynch.
[19:53] Dino Sordentini: if she's scum she's doing it to make it a none-wasted bus
[19:53] Sergey: If she was scum, she put a vote on Sincerity because she didn't expect her to be lynched.
[19:53] Sergey: And wanted it to look good.
[19:53] Sergey: But when votes happened, she had no choice but to keep it there.
[19:54] Dino Sordentini: LMAOLMAO
[19:54] Dino Sordentini: HAL
[19:54] Dino Sordentini: I just read the log
[19:54] Dino Sordentini: when was this?
[19:54] Hal Benjamin: Yesterday.
[19:54] Hal Benjamin: Utter nonsense.
[19:55] Dino Sordentini: that's a straight up role-claiming...SOMETHING.
[19:55] Dino Sordentini: but not what
[19:55] Dino Sordentini: is he dumb that he doesn't realize this is a scum vs. mafia game?
[19:55] Dino Sordentini: even if he's third party or mafia he should claim town
[19:55] Dino Sordentini: and keep a role to himself
[19:55] Hal Benjamin: Or he could be insinuating something just to make us keep him around longer.
[19:55] Hal Benjamin: Regardless, the way he plays is dangerous.
[19:55] Dino Sordentini: but then that makes him more scummy.
[19:55] Sergey: And if it was useful he would've just claimed the role since he very likely could've gone last night.
[19:55] Dino Sordentini: I hope he has a role and mafia goes after him
[19:55] Dino Sordentini: because even if he has a role he obviously doesnt know what to do with it
[19:56] Dino Sordentini: that's like giving an 8 yr old a 12 inch dick.
[19:56] Hal Benjamin: Hmm.
[19:56] Dino Sordentini: it'll give people like charlie
[19:56] Dino Sordentini: and smirky
[19:56] Dino Sordentini: more time to live and build cases.
[19:56] Sergey: Why would the mafia go after him if he was town?
[19:56] Dino Sordentini: he role-claimed.
[19:56] Sergey: He's a distraction.
[19:56] Dino Sordentini: if he has a cop-role
[19:56] Hal Benjamin: Sorry, I'm trying to come up with something to respond to that dick analogy.
[19:57] Dino Sordentini: it doesnt matter if he's an idiot
[19:57] Hal Benjamin: Or maybe I should just call the cops.
[19:57] Dino Sordentini: he could get lucky and get one
[19:57] Sergey: He didn't claim a specific role.
[19:57] Dino Sordentini: exactly
[19:57] Dino Sordentini: he said we just need him around
[19:57] Dino Sordentini: best case scenario
[19:57] Dino Sordentini: he's a kamikaze
[19:57] mmg1john: i am backkkk
[19:57] Dino Sordentini: which is sweet
[19:57] Hal Benjamin: What's that?
[19:57] Dino Sordentini: worst case is that he has a cop role
[19:58] Dino Sordentini: i dunno some role like...granny
[19:58] mmg1john: my responses to stuff:
[19:58] Dino Sordentini: if you kill him you die.
[19:58] mmg1john: 1. it's not that i cant reveal my allignment, i won't and im choosing not to
[19:58] mmg1john: 2. i'm not "all caught up", i just read who voted for who i still don't know why lol
[19:58] mmg1john: that is all
[19:58] Hal Benjamin: The "caught up" thing was about Ryan.
[19:58] mmg1john: oh okay
[19:59] Dino Sordentini: yeah
[19:59] Hal Benjamin: Why do you choose not to reveal anything?
[19:59] Dino Sordentini: I found that he was "fitting in" as though he was helped.
[19:59] mmg1john: its confidential man
[19:59] mmg1john: sorrayy
[19:59] Dino Sordentini: he claims to be catching up but have no opinions
[19:59] Dino Sordentini: if you're learning stuff for the first time
[19:59] Dino Sordentini: you should have thoughts
[19:59] Dino Sordentini: it's not confidential if you can tell us
[19:59] Hal Benjamin: There's no strategic reason for someone not to claim town.
[19:59] Dino Sordentini: if you can tell us, it's not confidential
[19:59] Dino Sordentini: learn werds.
[19:59] Hal Benjamin: Even if you're mafia.
[20:00] Hal Benjamin: The only reason I can think of is related to role insinuation.
[20:00] mmg1john: well its not
[20:00] mmg1john: theres no restrictions or whatever
[20:00] Dino Sordentini: role insinuation?
[20:00] Sergey: has joined the chat
[20:00] Dino Sordentini: johnny
[20:01] mmg1john: yeahh
[20:01] Hal Benjamin: He wants to get us thinking that he has some sort of role - that's what i mean by insinuation.
[20:01] Dino Sordentini: unless you wanna be killed
[20:01] Dino Sordentini: there's no reason to role-claim publically
[20:01] Dino Sordentini: unless you found out some information
[20:01] mmg1john: well i'm not role claiming
[20:01] mmg1john: i'm not even town claiming
[20:01] Dino Sordentini: you claimed we needed to have you around
[20:01] Dino Sordentini: that means you have a role.
[20:01] mmg1john: i did?
[20:01] Dino Sordentini: yeah
[20:01] mmg1john: i must have meant
[20:01] Sergey: >_>
[20:01] Dino Sordentini:
tinypaste.com/6c2f0[20:01] mmg1john: oh nevermind you are correct
[20:02] Dino Sordentini: if you're not even town-claiming
[20:02] mmg1john: yes you need me around
[20:02] Dino Sordentini: why would town want you around?
[20:02] Dino Sordentini: you're not even claiming to be on our team
[20:02] Hal Benjamin: Are you a third party?
[20:02] Sergey: Right.
[20:02] mmg1john: possibly
[20:02] mmg1john: you never know
[20:02] Sergey: And a third party role wouldn't benefit the town or the mafia specifically, one would think.
[20:02] Hal Benjamin: Here's my guess.
[20:03] Hal Benjamin: One condition of John's role is that he is never allowed to lie about anything.
[20:03] mmg1john: nope
[20:03] Sergey: That would be impossible to police.
[20:03] mmg1john: i can lie all i want
[20:03] Sergey: There's no way someone would have that.
[20:03] Hal Benjamin: Okay, I like that answer.
[20:03] Hal Benjamin: Cross that off the list.
[20:03] Dino Sordentini: XD
[20:03] mmg1john: lol
[20:03] Hal Benjamin: Just testing the possibilities. :-)
[20:03] mmg1charlie: LAWL. sozz guyz btw my showww is on so kinda unfocused
[20:03] Dino Sordentini: yeah i love that
[20:03] Dino Sordentini: what show?
[20:03] Dino Sordentini: XD
[20:03] mmg1charlie: that is confidential.
[20:04] mmg1charlie: ^.7
[20:04] mmg1john: haa
[20:04] Dino Sordentini: vampire diaries
[20:04] mmg1john: jersey shore
[20:04] Dino Sordentini: thats not on yet
[20:04] Dino Sordentini: ;-)
[20:04] Hal Benjamin: Let's accost Charlie now for his confidentiality.
[20:04] mmg1john: 1 m ore hour i think
[20:04] Dino Sordentini: well new episode at leasst
[20:05] Sergey: Honestly, town doesn't need this.
[20:05] Sergey: It's a distraction.
[20:05] mmg1charlie: sozz i didnt meant to derail the convo just explain my semi-lurkering
[20:05] Hal Benjamin: I agree - John's attitude isn't helpful.
[20:05] mmg1john: lol sorry i guess?
[20:05] mmg1john: i dont want it to be a distraction
[20:05] Sergey: Then start acting town.
[20:05] mmg1john: if i can control everything, people will just leave me alone
[20:05] mmg1john: and let me stay int he game
[20:06] mmg1john: foreverrrr
[20:06] Sergey: >_>
[20:06] Dino Sordentini: that's not true.
[20:06] Sergey: Do you want to lynch mafia, John?
[20:06] mmg1john: confidential :-(
[20:06] Sergey: How is that confidential.
[20:06] Dino Sordentini: it's not confidential if you are alloiwed ti tell us
[20:06] Sergey: That should be a yes.
[20:06] Sergey: No matter who you are.
[20:07] Hal Benjamin: I am inclined to vote John until that answer becomes "Yes".
[20:07] mmg1john: that's unfortunate
[20:07] Dino Sordentini: what's unfortunate is the drop your head took
[20:07] Dino Sordentini: some mom's are just clumsier than others
[20:07] mmg1john: lol
[20:07] Sergey: I'm closer to agreeing with you Hal.
[20:07] Sergey: If we're going to have this bitchfest every round.
[20:07] Sergey: concerning John.
[20:07] Sergey: It's not helpful.
[20:07] Sergey: And likely he's a third party, given his answers.
[20:08] mmg1john: chillllll
[20:08] Scott: Back. And John's here I see
[20:08] mmg1john: sup scott
[20:08] Dino Sordentini: no john back to explaining yourself
[20:08] Dino Sordentini: in mafia the majority = town
[20:08] Scott: And right as I'm about to scroll up, I see this.
20:06] Sergey: Do you want to lynch mafia, John?
[20:06] John: confidential
[20:08] Dino Sordentini: no matter what
[20:08] Scott: just... why
[20:08] Scott: why john
[20:08] Dino Sordentini: unless it's reverse mafia
[20:08] Hal Benjamin: John could be helpful to us, but I don't think it's worth the risk to find out.
[20:08] Scott: why
[20:08] Dino Sordentini: or whatever
[20:09] Sergey: I don't think he could be, Hal.
[20:09] Sergey: If he was third party, I don't see why the role would benefit either the town or the mafia.
[20:09] mmg1john: who says im third party?
[20:09] mmg1john: i could be town, i could be mafia
[20:09] mmg1john: i could be all three
[20:09] mmg1john: or i could be none
[20:09] Scott: Oh for pete sake.
[20:09] Hal Benjamin: Your strategy makes no sense to me. If you were town, you would be working harder at self-preservation.
[20:09] Sergey: You just said "possibly" that you were third party.
[20:09] Hal Benjamin: That's the kicker.
[20:09] mmg1john: yeah hthats true
[20:09] mmg1john: im possibly mafia too
[20:10] Sergey: >_>
[20:10] mmg1john: and im also possibly town
[20:10] Scott: Ok, john. Let's backtrack a bit. Can you tell me how this game works?
[20:10] Dino Sordentini: XD
[20:10] Hal Benjamin: LOL
[20:10] mmg1john: loll
[20:10] Sergey: John, have you played mafia before?
[20:10] Scott: I'm not even friggin kidding anymore
[20:10] Hal Benjamin: How many fingers am I holding up?
[20:10] mmg1john: i have
[20:10] Sergey: You've played mafia before.
[20:10] mmg1john: yes
[20:10] Dino Sordentini: did they yell at you too?
[20:10] Scott: I want you to give me a description of what the game of mafia is about
[20:10] Dino Sordentini: every time?
[20:10] mmg1john: confidential
[20:10] Dino Sordentini: you obviously dont know what the word confidential means
[20:11] mmg1john: that may be true
[20:11] Dino Sordentini: at the very least describe the game mafia
[20:11] mmg1john: people lynch, people get murdered
[20:11] Dino Sordentini: what's the goal of the game?
[20:11] mmg1john: traditionally, as i've been told by many people like hal, and etc,
[20:11] mmg1john: the goal would be to eliminated the opposing side
[20:12] mmg1john: eliminate*
[20:12] mmg1john: but im playing to win
[20:12] mmg1john: the game is not fun if your dead
[20:12] Sergey: has left the chat
[20:12] Dino Sordentini: you win even if your dead if your team wins
[20:12] Sergey: has joined the chat
[20:13] Dino Sordentini: do you understand which side gets the majority?
[20:13] Dino Sordentini: town.
[20:13] Sergey: I want to slap the shit out of you, John.
[20:13] Dino Sordentini: so if mafia refused to claim town
[20:13] Dino Sordentini: the town would lynch them all up
[20:13] mmg1john: *lets sergey slap me*
[20:13] mmg1john: *points at cheeck*
[20:13] Sergey: Here's a thought.
[20:13] mmg1john: i wont slap you back
[20:13] mmg1john: lol
[20:14] Dino Sordentini: brb
[20:14] Sergey: What if John is a third party that will win if he gets a certain amount of votes without actually leaving?
[20:14] Hal Benjamin:
wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Fool[20:14] Hal Benjamin: Something like that.
[20:14] Hal Benjamin: Which is kind of a BS role.
[20:14] Hal Benjamin: He's definitely trying to get us to believe that.
[20:15] Hal Benjamin: But I wouldn't mind lynching him regardless.
[20:15] Sergey: I think he's a distraction for other scum-hunting.
[20:15] Dino Sordentini: Jordan wouldnt put a fool in the game without warning us.
[20:15] Sergey: There are too many people here who are focusing on John exclusively.
[20:15] Dino Sordentini: And if he did, the game is void in my mind.
[20:15] Dino Sordentini: I wouldn't mind losing because it wasn't a game I cared about if such was the case.
[20:15] Hal Benjamin: Yeah, I would be very unhappy.
[20:16] Dino Sordentini: So john would you rather vote for someone that you think is scummy or towny?
[20:16] Hal Benjamin: He'd rather vote with the asians.
[20:16] Sergey: Dyno, private IM.
[20:16] mmg1john: here is my priorities of voting
[20:16] mmg1john: 1. who the asians are voting for
[20:16] mmg1john: 2. who seems to be getting more votes
[20:16] mmg1john: 3. alphabetical order
[20:16] Hal Benjamin: LOL
[20:16] mmg1john: that's it
[20:16] Dino Sordentini: I repeat...why should we keep you around?
[20:17] Hal Benjamin: Charlie, please vote for John next time.
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: That is the opposite of what we want around.
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: John
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: one more question
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: promise to answer it?
[20:17] mmg1charlie: LAWL.
[20:17] mmg1john: if the asians vote with you guys ill vote for you guys too
[20:17] mmg1john: with*
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: john promise?
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: answer me?
[20:17] mmg1john: i can't lol
[20:17] Sergey: Don't ask him to be on the crew, Dyno.
[20:17] mmg1john: i can try
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: lmao
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: John does your role involve who you vote for?
[20:17] Dino Sordentini: as in...who you dont vote for.
[20:18] mmg1john: who says i have a role?
[20:18] Dino Sordentini: you did.
[20:18] mmg1john: oh yeah
[20:18] Sergey: These are the contradictions, Charlie.
[20:18] Hal Benjamin: I'm done asking John questions.
[20:18] mmg1john: i love contradictions
[20:18] Dino Sordentini: if you dont have a role, then you are a distraction, pros and cons mean we want you dead rather than alive...not around
[20:18] Sergey: ^
[20:18] Hal Benjamin: ^^^
[20:18] Dino Sordentini: ^.^
[20:19] mmg1john: lol
[20:19] mmg1john: dino the answer to your question is a no though
[20:19] mmg1john: that is truth
[20:19] Dino Sordentini: Then there's no reason for your votes to not be on scum.
[20:19] Dino Sordentini: Final verdict: Guilty
[20:20] mmg1john: what do you mean theres no reason my votes shouldnt be on scum
[20:20] Sergey: The crew has spoken.
[20:20] Dino Sordentini: Either you're scum or you're dumb and either is not pro-town. you're the next lynch.
[20:20] mmg1john: who says i know whos scum?
[20:20] Dino Sordentini: John we're done questioning you.
[20:20] Dino Sordentini: there's nothing you can say that will change our minds.
[20:20] Sergey: You don't have any suspicions. That's either scummy or retarded.
[20:20] Dino Sordentini: You lost all credit.
[20:20] Dino Sordentini: Even if you say you have a role, we wont believe you.
[20:20] mmg1john: thats unfortunate
[20:21] Dino Sordentini: Like I said...what's unfortunate was the fall.
[20:21] Dino Sordentini: Did your head ever round-out again?
[20:21] mmg1john: no
[20:21] Dino Sordentini: i thought it was flat cuz you're asian.
[20:21] mmg1john: lol
[20:22] mmg1john: wait one question
[20:22] Scott: John, do you understand there are 4 mafia and 16 town in this game?
[20:22] mmg1john: didn't know that
[20:22] Hal Benjamin: soon to be 15 town
[20:22] Scott: Not 8 and 8?
[20:22] mmg1john: yeah i knew that theres more town then mafia
[20:22] Sergey: What was your question?
[20:22] Dino Sordentini: XD @ scott
[20:23] mmg1john: my question is for dino
[20:23] Dino Sordentini: You don't question the judge.
[20:23] mmg1john: i was gonna ask
[20:23] Scott: or 10 and 10 I guess is the right number to be using there.
[20:23] mmg1john: why do you asccuse me of voting town when i don't know (and neither does anybody except mafia) who is town?
[20:24] Dino Sordentini: Because your order of deciding who to vote for.
[20:24] Dino Sordentini: Instead of voting based on evidence, and cases...you vote...for...alphabetical order?
[20:24] Scott: John, you do realize that THE ENTIRE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS TOWN OR MAFIA?
[20:24] mmg1john: thats the 3rd priority
[20:24] mmg1john: lol
[20:24] mmg1romeo: has joined the chat
[20:24] Dino Sordentini: it should never be a priority unless you're scum.
[20:24] Hal Benjamin: So, John is obviously trolling us.
[20:24] mmg1john: im sure my asian brothers will know what to do
[20:24] Hal Benjamin: Don't feed the troll.
[20:24] Dino Sordentini: and your first two are just as bad
[20:25] Dino Sordentini: #2 is badnwaggoning
[20:25] mmg1john: nah im not trollin
[20:25] Dino Sordentini: very scummy
[20:25] Dino Sordentini: #1 is voting with your friends
[20:25] Dino Sordentini: also very scummy...unless you get a mafia out -winks at CREW-
[20:25] mmg1john: but its bandwagonning with same ethnicity people every round
[20:25] Sergey: Oh.
[20:25] Sergey: That makes it better.
[20:25] Hal Benjamin: Instead of arguing with John, let's at least make a game out of it.
[20:25] mmg1romeo: .....
[20:25] Dino Sordentini: XD hal I already have XD
[20:25] Hal Benjamin: Like, place bets on his responses.
[20:25] mmg1john: loll
[20:26] Dino Sordentini: can we get a recplacement for a player that is active at talking but not with his brain?
[20:26] Dino Sordentini: what is the rule on that?
[20:26] Sergey: Well you are assuming his actions aren't based on some sort of reason.
[20:26] Sergey: And they may very well be.
[20:26] Dino Sordentini: i dont thoink his brain has been here since the beginning of the game
[20:27] Dino Sordentini: yes Smirky
[20:27] Dino Sordentini: I assume that
[20:27] Dino Sordentini: XD =]
[20:27] Sergey: Okay.
[20:27] mmg1john: lol
[20:27] mmg1john: smirkey
[20:27] mmg1john: good name
[20:27] Dino Sordentini: Shut up chode.
[20:27] Dino Sordentini: You don't deserve to say his name
[20:27] Dino Sordentini: even if you spell it wrong.
[20:28] mmg1john: itee
[20:28] mmg1john: ill call him something else
[20:29] mmg1john: ill call him black and white man
[20:29] mmg1john: because on the memory wall he's the only person who does not have color
[20:29] Dino Sordentini: how about you call him master?
[20:29] mmg1john: jordan must have ran low on his budget
[20:29] Dino Sordentini: because he is infinitely your superior.
[20:29] Dino Sordentini: well he must have ran out of color
[20:29] Dino Sordentini: because a bunch of players are all yellow
[20:29] Dino Sordentini: hah
[20:29] mmg1john: lol
[20:30] mmg1john: xaric's not yellow
[20:30] mmg1john: or he doesnt appear to be
[20:30] Dino Sordentini: yeah but there's so little of him. less ink.
[20:30] mmg1john: ha
[20:31] mmg1john: wow i just missed the season premiere of survivor yesterday
[20:31] Dino Sordentini: saw it
[20:31] mmg1john: darn
[20:31] Dino Sordentini: no asians.
[20:31] mmg1john: lolol
[20:31] mmg1john: russell and rob are both soo chill
[20:31] mmg1john: hate to see them hate each other
[20:31] Dino Sordentini: you remind e of phillip
[20:31] Dino Sordentini: this is the first time I watched survivor
[20:31] mmg1john: whos phillip?
[20:32] mmg1john: new person on this season?
[20:32] Dino Sordentini: a guy that says stupid shit
[20:32] Dino Sordentini: yep
[20:32] mmg1john: lol
[20:32] mmg1john: yes it's on hulu
[20:32] mmg1romeo: just watched that. insane start to the show
[20:32] mmg1john: oh man
[20:33] mmg1john: hal's last name is benjamin?
[20:33] mmg1john: that's so much more ordinary than hal
[20:33] mmg1john: i'm calling him ben from now on, if i remember him
[20:36] Dino Sordentini: so john do you have to give jordan a message before a murder or before a lynch?
[20:37] Dino Sordentini: OH SERGEY
[20:37] Dino Sordentini: Was there an anonymous vote this round?
[20:37] Sergey: No.
[20:39] mmg1romeo: i wonder if that was actually Gil who did that
[20:39] mmg1romeo: he claimed someone approached him about their ability to do that, but now he's gone and no vote happened
[20:39] Dino Sordentini: the thought occured to me but why would he vote for the mafia. every one.
[20:40] mmg1romeo: so i wonder if he was just trying to let everyone know, but didn't want people to suspect him
[20:40] mmg1john: wouldnt we know his role if he had one?
[20:40] mmg1romeo: i don't know. whatever that was, it didn't seem to be much point to it at the moment
[20:40] mmg1romeo: no, there are no role announcements upon death
[20:40] mmg1john: ohh
[20:40] mmg1john: ok brb survivor
[20:41] Dino Sordentini: so john if you do have a role
[20:41] Dino Sordentini: we wont know about it.
[20:41] Dino Sordentini: and it'll be lost foreverrrr
[20:41] Sergey: If he's town and he has a role he should wait to claim until the last minute.
[20:41] Scott: If he's town and has a role, I will probably break down and cry.
[20:42] Dino Sordentini: I would stab Jordan
[20:42] Dino Sordentini: in the neck
[20:42] Dino Sordentini: with a bike
[20:42] mmg1romeo: llol
[20:44] mmg1harriet: has joined the chat
[20:44] mmg1harriet: hola
[20:44] Dino Sordentini: balla
[20:44] Dino Sordentini: you missed
[20:44] Dino Sordentini: wack-a-troll
[20:44] mmg1harriet: Hah
[20:44] mmg1harriet: What happened?
[20:44] Scott: More stupid
[20:44] mmg1harriet: John?
[20:45] mmg1romeo: nothing out of the ordinary at this point it seems
[20:45] Sergey: Yes.
[20:45] Sergey: Scott'll be posting the chat soon. I'm pretty convinced I'm voting for him at this point.
[20:45] Scott: My thoughs on John right now are currently this.
You know how poker players really hate playing with new people, because the fact that they have no idea how the game is played makes them hard to play against?
[20:45] Scott: That's what we haev with John.
[20:45] Sergey: John's played mafia before.
[20:46] Scott: He couldn't even tell us how the game worked.
[20:46] Dino Sordentini: maybe he was hit in the back of the head with a bat by a mafia member before
[20:46] Dino Sordentini: but that's not the same
[20:46] Dino Sordentini: he was like
[20:46] Dino Sordentini: lynches and murders
[20:46] Dino Sordentini: XD
[20:46] Scott: That's not an exaggeration.
[20:46] Scott: That was literally his answer to what the game of mafia was about
[20:46] Scott: lynches and murders
[20:47] mmg1harriet: ...
[20:47] Dino Sordentini: not psychology or scum-hunting
[20:47] Sergey: And he doesn't have suspicions.
[20:47] Scott: His way of voting?
[20:47] Scott: Asian block, then bandwagons, and then alphabetical order.
[20:48] Sergey: And he soft claimed a role but then he said he may not have it.
[20:48] mmg1harriet: lol
[20:48] Dino Sordentini: he said he wont claim to be mafia or townie
[20:48] Dino Sordentini: or third party
[20:48] Sergey: But said he was possibly third party.
[20:48] Dino Sordentini: he says he's allowed to tell us
[20:48] Dino Sordentini: but says it's confidential
[20:48] Scott: followed by saying he could be any of those three.
[20:48] mmg1harriet: Hes not mafia
[20:48] mmg1harriet: I dont think
[20:49] mmg1harriet: Sincerity voted for him
[20:49] Sergey: If I was mafia, I would want to bus him.
[20:49] Scott: Would you want a mafia partner like that around?
[20:49] Sergey: But I'm not sold on him being mafia.
[20:49] Sergey: I'm sold on him being a huge distraction.
[20:49] mmg1harriet: I agree. Hes a distraction
[20:49] Sergey: That will be easy for the mafia to put votes on until he's gone.
[20:49] Scott: I was going to give him a break because of sincerity's vote
[20:49] Scott: and then this
[20:50] mmg1harriet: So, what if we find someone that we strongly suspect is scum?
[20:50] mmg1harriet: put it aside and lynch him?
[20:50] Sergey: We have a lot of time.
[20:51] Sergey: If something more convincing comes up, we definitely should investigate it.
[20:51] mmg1harriet: I agree. I think he is a problem
[20:51] mmg1harriet: But, I dont think we should focus too much on him
[20:51] Sergey: I see your point. We shouldn't tunnel on him.
[20:51] Sergey: But the part of his problem is that he's so easy for everyone to tunnel on.
[20:51] Sergey: And getting rid of him if we don't have any other strong suspects by the execution would benefit the town regardless, I think.
[20:52] Scott: I agree there about not tunneling, but when you ahve crap like
[20:52] Scott: :05] Hal Benjamin: I agree - John's attitude isn't helpful.
[20:05] John: lol sorry i guess?
[20:05] John: i dont want it to be a distraction
[20:05] Sergey: Then start acting town.
[20:05] John: if i can control everything, people will just leave me alone
[20:06] John: and let me stay int he game
[20:06] John: foreverrrr
[20:06] Sergey: >_>
[20:06] Dino Sordentini: that's not true.
[20:06] Sergey: Do you want to lynch mafia, John?
[20:06] John: confidential
[20:52] Scott: what do you want us to do?
[20:52] Dino Sordentini: is this on the boards yet?
[20:52] Sergey: Harriet, how do you feel about Chuck now?
[20:52] Sergey: Scott said he was going to post it.
[20:53] Scott: You want me to just add to the john topic, or do you want me to do a full group chat?
[20:53] Sergey: Add to the John topic.
[20:53] Scott: alright
[20:53] mmg1harriet: I am undecided on chuck at the moment. I feel better about him, though.
[20:53] Sergey: Okay.
[20:53] Sergey: How do you feel about him not voting for Sincerity when he said he was?
[20:53] mmg1harriet: He apologized to me last night
[20:54] mmg1harriet: Chuck said he was going to vote Sincerity?
[20:54] Sergey: Yes.
[20:54] mmg1harriet: He said he was going to vote John out of self defense
[20:54] mmg1harriet: When did he say he was going to vote sincerity?
[20:54] Sergey: mmg1chuck (11:00:24 PM): arrggggghhh
mmg1chuck (11:00:33 PM): switched to sincerity
[20:54] mmg1harriet: Hmmm...
[20:54] Sergey: Self-preservation, I'd assume.
[20:54] Sergey: He may have got it in late and it didn't count.
[20:55] Dino Sordentini: but he said switched
[20:55] Dino Sordentini: at 11
[20:55] Sergey: Right.
[20:55] Sergey: mmg1chuck (11:23:33 PM): well i thought i switched to sincerity in time?
Sergey (11:23:45 PM): ask him
mmg1chuck (11:24:08 PM): i will
mmg1chuck (11:24:13 PM): if it makes a diff
mmg1chuck (11:28:45 PM): and it doesn't so i'll just let it be
mmg1chuck (11:30:41 PM): well done!
[20:55] Sergey: It seems odd to me that he wouldn't want his vote on Sincerity.
[20:55] Sergey: Even if it didn't make a difference.
[20:55] Sergey: But I don't know. I need to talk to him about it.
[20:56] mmg1harriet: I agree, it's strange.
[20:56] mmg1harriet: How about Victoire?
[20:57] Sergey: I don't know why she didn't show up.
[20:57] mmg1harriet: I thought that was weird too.
[20:57] mmg1harriet: And Randi's vote for Eddie?
[20:57] Scott: log posted, with a better description then I gave last time.
[20:58] Sergey: Also, Nadia claiming to lead the lynch on Sincerity is extremely odd to me.
[20:58] mmg1harriet: Sergey, your suspicious of Nadia?
[20:58] Sergey: Well I was the only one with solid suspicions on Sincerity from the beginning of the round, and it wasn't until the end where I think people actually listened to me.
[20:58] Sergey: That's what she said in the voting thread.
[20:58] Sergey: That's wrong. I was suspicious of her before the round even started.
[20:58] mmg1harriet: Its extremely arrogant
[20:58] Sergey: Secondly, even though she voted for Sincerity, she didn't really push it.
[20:59] Sergey: Thirdly, if she was town, I wouldn't want to claim that I lead the lynch on a mafia in fear of being murdered.
[20:59] mmg1harriet: Nadia...seems to be a bit of a hot head
[20:59] Sergey: If she is mafia, she's trying to make herself more town. And she couldn't switch her vote off Sincerity was the votes started coming in, because it'd look really suspicious on her.
[20:59] Scott: What do you guys think about Sincerity's little rant after the votes were counted?
[20:59] Sergey: once*
[21:00] Sergey: After she switched her vote and Sincerity would've come up mafia .
[21:00] Dino Sordentini: what rant?
[21:00] mmg1harriet: What do you mean switched her vote?
[21:01] Sergey: If she would've switched her vote off Sincerity.
[21:01] Sergey: That's assuming she was mafia. She'd put a vote on Sincerity thinking that she wasn't in danger this round, sit back, and in a few rounds if Sincerity got lynched she'd look a lot better.
[21:02] mmg1harriet: Ohhh
[21:02] mmg1harriet: I see what youre saying
[21:02] mmg1harriet: She thought it was a "safe" vote
[21:02] Sergey: Once she actually saw the votes coming in, she could not switch it in fear of looking more suspicious if Sincerity successfuly was lynched and turned up mafia.
[21:02] Sergey: *nods*
[21:02] mmg1harriet: Do you think her taunts at sincerity were really just an act?
[21:02] mmg1harriet: Calling her shady
[21:03] mmg1harriet: Saying she had a majority
[21:03] Sergey: I think that would make sense if she was scum.
[21:03] Scott: I was thinking more of Sincerity's yelling at Nadia and Flava.
[21:04] Scott: For apparently not discussing suspicions with her before voting her.
[21:04] Sergey: Also.
[21:04] Sergey: Sincerity pushed Nadia before she was the traitor.
[21:04] Sergey: And afterwards she dropped her suspicion, I believe. And voted for someone else.
[21:05] mmg1harriet: So, you think the whole thing was orchestrated by them?
[21:05] Sergey: What do you mean the whole thing?
[21:05] mmg1harriet: Susan/Sincerity/Nadia
[21:05] Sergey: Obviously if Nadia is scum she didn't intend on lynching Sincerity this round.
[21:05] Sergey: And it's clear that she wasn't really actively pushing for her anyways.
[21:05] Sergey: I don't know if Susan was a part of it or not.
[21:06] Sergey: She was notoriously vague on her suspicions.
[21:06] mmg1harriet: My big thing with Nadia is how she doesnt participate
[21:06] Sergey: But let's say your Sincerity and you join the mafia R2, and you see that your #1 suspicion is a member of the mafia.
[21:06] Sergey: You drop that suspicion somewhat and vote for someone else.
[21:06] Sergey: Which is what happened.
[21:06] Scott: I heard something about there being another chat where her blindside was discussed before it was in here. How does that figure into this?
[21:06] Sergey: It wasn't a blindside, Scott.
[21:06] Sergey: She had more than enough time to defend herself.
[21:06] Sergey: During the day and when my case was posted on her for a week.
[21:07] Sergey: I lynched Sincerity based on evidence that's been around since I posted it.
[21:07] mmg1harriet: She gets onIf it was a blindside, it was half a blind side
[21:08] Scott: Dino was telling me about how "people were gathered behind the scenes to vote for her" before it was brought up in the main chat.
[21:08] Sergey: There were some people who didn't have strong suspicions of her that voted along with those that did.
[21:08] Sergey: This is true.
[21:08] Scott: That's what I was asking about, how does that figure into this.
[21:08] Sergey: Nadia was not a part of that group chat.
[21:08] Scott: Can I ask who was then?
[21:08] Sergey: Sure.
[21:09] Sergey: It was Romeo, Dyno, and I.
[21:09] Dino Sordentini: CREW
[21:09] Scott: Alright.
[21:09] Scott: I had gotten the impression that Nadia had been part of it with you guys.
[21:09] Sergey: Nope.
[21:09] Scott: So that threw me off some.
[21:09] Dino Sordentini: Crazy Ragers and Epic Winners
[21:09] Sergey: Dyno, read what I said about Nadia.
[21:09] Sergey: What do you think?
[21:09] Dino Sordentini: I've been paying attention
[21:09] Sergey: Okay.
[21:09] Sergey: No scum.
[21:09] mmg1harriet: I have an interesting chat from Nadia
[21:09] Sergey: But okay.
[21:09] Dino Sordentini: It's a good possibility. I been thinkin tat
[21:10] Sergey: Are you channeling Sincerity?
[21:10] Dino Sordentini: but I'd need more proof
[21:10] Dino Sordentini: a little somethin more
[21:10] Sergey: Proof in what form?
[21:10] Dino Sordentini: LMAO
[21:10] mmg1harriet: I have a chat
[21:10] Dino Sordentini: @ sincrtrity channeling
[21:10] Dino Sordentini: I smell
[21:10] Dino Sordentini: food
[21:10] Dino Sordentini: brb brosephs
[21:10] Sergey: We have Sincerity's dropping her suspicion of Nadia and not voting her after she joined the mafia.
[21:10] Sergey: We have her claiming to push a lynch when that clearly was not the case.
[21:11] mmg1harriet: How about a conversation with me where she says she isnt concerned about sinceritys case on her?
[21:11] Sergey: We have Nadia going off on her in the chat for not talking to her before hand, even though a few other people did not either.
[21:11] Sergey: She said that?
[21:13] mmg1harriet: [19:29] nadia rara: ill check it out but im not overly concerned with her case.
[21:14] mmg1harriet: I was asking her if she read the chata bout Sincerity, where Gil made Sincerity reexplain her case on Nadia
[21:15] mmg1harriet: Shes scummy
[21:15] mmg1harriet: Im reading back on my conversation with her.
[21:15] mmg1harriet: Gil convinced me that she wasn't "bright"
[21:16] mmg1harriet: But Gil also seemed to think that Sincerity was town
[21:17] Sergey: She can not be bright and also be scum.
[21:17] Sergey: The two aren't mutually exclusive.
[21:18] mmg1harriet: Yeah
[21:18] Sergey: Okay, I'm going to get food. I'll be back in twenty or so.
[21:18] mmg1harriet: I have to fingure out which parts of the conversation to share
[21:18] mmg1harriet: figure*
[21:35] Dino Sordentini: If you need to fingur. go for that too ;-)
[21:36] mmg1harriet: =P
[21:37] mmg1harriet: The 8 line rule sucks
[21:39] Dino Sordentini: that doesnt count for pub chats
[21:39] Dino Sordentini: oh wait is this between you and nadia?
[21:39] mmg1harriet: Yes
[21:39] mmg1harriet: Its very strange
[21:40] mmg1harriet: I swear. I can read the same thing 4 or 5 times and have a different perspective each time
[21:41] Sergey: I'm back.
[21:42] Dino Sordentini: hey back
[21:44] mmg1harriet: Yeah, so nadia
[21:44] mmg1harriet: she types
[21:44] mmg1harriet: like
[21:44] mmg1harriet: this
[21:44] mmg1harriet: and
[21:44] mmg1harriet: it
[21:44] mmg1harriet: sucks
[21:44] Scott: oh yeah
[21:44] Scott: I can see
[21:44] Scott: how that can get annoying
[21:44] Scott: in a hurry
[21:44] Scott: for 8 line rules
[21:46] Dino Sordentini: I count it
[21:46] Dino Sordentini: as 1 line
[21:46] Dino Sordentini: I consider that anything someone says before you speak
[21:46] Dino Sordentini: is one line
[21:46] Dino Sordentini: it's a really long line
[21:47] Dino Sordentini: but it's still one line
[21:48] mmg1harriet: Ah
[21:53] mmg1harriet: so hard to choose what to share
[21:53] Sergey: That's the one reason why I don't like the rule.
[21:53] Sergey: I can understand why you need it because it prevents people from asking for logs.
[21:54] Sergey: But it's also damaging to scum hunting especially when an entire conversation can be incriminating.
[21:54] mmg1harriet: [19:33] mmg1harriet: Can you explain to me what happened between you, Susan and Sincerity?
[19:33] nadia rara: nothing happened lol i found out from zhao like 3 hours before susan claimed that sincerity was making a case and then i only heard her case after susans lynch so. ya
[21:55] Sergey: Okay so fitting in on this time line Sincerity told Zhao before Susan confessed that she was making a case on Nadia.
[21:56] mmg1harriet: I was trying REALLY hard to understand what happened between her, Susan and Sincerity
[21:56] mmg1harriet: she didnt explain jack shit
[21:57] mmg1harriet: I thought maybe she didnt trust me
[21:59] mmg1harriet: She named Sincerity, John and Rachel as her suspects
[22:00] mmg1harriet: [19:52] mmg1harriet: Have you spoken to either?
[19:52] nadia rara: barely to john and rachel and no content
[22:00] mmg1harriet: [19:54] mmg1harriet: What makes you suspicious of them? Anything in particular?
[19:55] nadia rara: um besides them posting yet not having anything to contribute to conversation um. ya thats enough for a suspicion
[22:02] Sergey: When was this?
[22:02] mmg1harriet: [19:55] mmg1harriet: I was just wondering if there was more to it.
[19:55] nadia rara: nope
[22:02] mmg1harriet: Feb 13
[22:02] Sergey: That was after the last lynch then.
[22:03] mmg1harriet: three days later
[22:03] mmg1harriet: before the execution
[22:03] Sergey: Hm.
[22:03] Sergey: Ok.
[22:04] mmg1harriet: Yes, after the first lynch, before the execution
[22:04] mmg1harriet: Doesn't she come off as being semi-uncooperative? Like she doesnt want to help?
[22:05] Sergey: Yes. She could just not trust you, but yes.
[22:07] mmg1harriet: I dont know.
[22:07] mmg1harriet: I asked her a bunch of questions
[22:07] mmg1harriet: her responses were all around the same
[22:07] mmg1harriet: Maybe we can ask John if hes ever talked to Nadia
[22:08] Dino Sordentini: Is there really anything anyone wants to ask john?
[22:08] Sergey: I mean, I don't know if he's going to provide anything sufficient.
[22:08] mmg1charlie: hey guyz, back
[22:08] Sergey: In fact it seems highly unlikely that he will.
[22:08] mmg1charlie: sozz
[22:08] Scott: Nothing that I could expect to get a good answer for
[22:09] Scott: Hey there Charlie.
[22:09] mmg1harriet: Its a long shot, but if he says no, well know she is lying
[22:09] mmg1john: HI
[22:10] mmg1john: im back
[22:10] mmg1john: just read everything
[22:10] mmg1john: survivor was crazy though, i love phillip
[22:10] Sergey: Ha!
[22:10] mmg1john: anyways
[22:10] mmg1john: did i ever talk to nadia? let me check my aim logs
[22:10] Dino Sordentini: you're phillip
[22:10] mmg1john: lol
[22:11] mmg1john: for the most part i dont remember who i talk to
[22:11] mmg1john: privately that is
[22:12] mmg1john: and the answer is
[22:12] mmg1john: nope i have not had a single conversation with nadia
[22:12] mmg1harriet: So, she lied
[22:13] mmg1john: what did she say?
[22:13] mmg1harriet: Pretty scummy
[22:13] mmg1john: she claimed to have talked to me? lol
[22:13] Dino Sordentini: ask her for a log.
[22:15] mmg1john: ask her now or later?
[22:15] mmg1john: because we all know she wont have one