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Post by Sergey on Feb 20, 2011 12:33:10 GMT -6
Sergey 12:59 pm Good news. I'm immune from the next murder. You can protect someone else now. mmg1chuck 1:00 pm yay! Sergey 1:00 pm *nods* Now, let's just try to keep you from not getting lynched or publicly claiming >_> mmg1chuck 1:01 pm that sounds like a good plan  Sergey 1:01 pm Definitely. Sergey 1:10 pm Also. I have a question. Do you think I should reveal that I'm immune from the murder? mmg1chuck 1:11 pm have you asked jordan if the scum will be told? Sergey 1:11 pm I'll ask him now. Sergey 1:11 pm Hello, will the mafia be informed that I will be immune? confidentialanon 1:11 pm Yes. So, there's really no reason for me not to mention it, I guess. mmg1chuck 1:12 pm right mmg1chuck 1:13 pm i am still surprised at Dino Sergey 1:14 pm It worked for me. >_> mmg1chuck 1:14 pm I did not think he was a threat to the scum, but it looks like someone did Sergey 1:14 pm He also was someone who started a lot of discussion. I guess mafia could see that as a threat. And maybe they did it to legitimize his suspicion against you more. mmg1chuck 1:15 pm ugh Sergey 1:15 pm Although I think it might do the opposite, really. Sergey 1:15 pm Of course, I know pretty certainly you are town. Maybe for those who don't it'll be more effective. mmg1chuck 1:17 pm i'm not sure why you are so certain i am town, but u.U Sergey 1:17 pm Because you claimed to me? And I have no reason to doubt you at this point. mmg1chuck 1:19 pm hester said she was goiing to have a case on Nadia I am interested to see it Sergey 1:19 pm *nods* Me too. mmg1chuck 1:19 pm What do you think of Romeo? Sergey 1:19 pm I explained some of my thoughts on her in Zhao's thread I don't know. I'm not really sure of his suspicions at this point, which worries me a bit. What about you? mmg1chuck 1:20 pm idk, I thought he might be one who thought Dino dangerous? Sergey 1:20 pm If he was mafia, you mean? mmg1chuck 1:20 pm yes Sergey 1:20 pm Why would that be? mmg1chuck 1:21 pm Dino kept telling me that he "orchestrated" the Sinc. lynch and that I should trust him but I had no reason to Sergey 1:22 pm He took way too much credit for that. But how does this relate to Romeo? mmg1chuck 1:22 pm So I was thinking that someone who knew that Dino was part of that might fear him Sergey 1:23 pm Didn't everyone know that he was a part of that? And how does this only make Romeo suspicious? It could make any of us who were in on the vote seem suspicious. mmg1chuck 1:23 pm Romeo was the one that first popped to mind is all Sergey 1:24 pm *nods* Dyno did tell me before he left that Romeo was the most likely to be scum out of the group. Unfortunately he failed to elaborate why. That was pretty common for Dyno, though,. mmg1chuck 1:24 pm lol Sergey 1:26 pm Who are you thinking concerning the Execution at this point? mmg1chuck 1:26 pm who am i thinking of protecting? Sergey 1:26 pm No, that would be the murder. I meant the vote. mmg1chuck 1:26 pm sorry Sergey 1:26 pm That'sok. mmg1chuck 1:27 pm well, i'd like to see hester's case Sergey 1:27 pm *nods* mmg1chuck 1:28 pm my suspicions on eddie have died down a little bit mmg1chuck 1:28 pm i still have no idea on bartok hal is a possibility Sergey 1:29 pm What about Scott? mmg1chuck 1:29 pm ugh idk mmg1chuck 1:32 pm i've gotta run -- later Sergey 1:32 pm Alright, later! |
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Post by Sergey on Feb 20, 2011 12:42:35 GMT -6
Hester Zimmerman 1:24 pm
Hey! Ignore my previous message. I DID get the investigation. (It was posted in my confessional and I didn't see it.)
Sergey 1:24 pm
The role investigation?
Hester Zimmerman 1:24 pm
I have to work now but we'll talk about it later. Yes.
Sergey 1:24 pm
Okay. I'm immune from the murder.
Hester Zimmerman 1:24 pm
And it says I can use it at any time.
YAY!
Sergey 1:25 pm
And the mafia will know that I'm immune.
So I'll probably come out and say it at some point soon.
Hester Zimmerman 1:25 pm
Okay. (Wish they didn't know, but that would be unfair.)
Sergey 1:25 pm
Right.
Hester Zimmerman 1:27 pm
Okay, I have to go but we should probably use this today or tomorrow if the execution is Tuesday. I'd save it for a later round but if you're immune, I may be the next death. Esp. if nadia really is Mafia.
You still think we should use it on John?
Sergey 1:27 pm
We can discuss this later.
I have someone else maybe, but I wouldn't be able to tell you why, and it would involve you trusting me.
But it would end in a clear town, I think. Or at least close to one.
Hester Zimmerman 1:29 pm
Okay. I trust you fully. If you flip scum I'm giving up mafia. And clearing town is good. Okay, TTYL
Sergey 1:29 pm
Okay.
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Post by Sergey on Feb 20, 2011 13:43:26 GMT -6
Victoire Pierre 1:03 pm
Bonjour Sergey!
Sergey 1:04 pm
Hello, Victoire.
How are you?
Victoire Pierre 1:05 pm
Bien, et vous?
Sergey 1:09 pm
I'm good. Just doing some reading. It's about France! Sort of.
Victoire Pierre 1:09 pm
Vraiment?
Sergey 1:09 pm
Yes, it's about Vietnam.
I know, exciting. Calm your loins.
Victoire Pierre 1:11 pm
Ahaha, I can barely contain it, mais I will try.
Sergey 1:12 pm
Well, I'll just avoid the topic then.
Victoire Pierre 1:12 pm
Ahaha
Victoire Pierre 1:13 pm
'Ave you put any thought into the upcoming execution?
Sergey 1:13 pm
A few. I need to look over things again.
But right now, I think my vote will either be going to Nadia or John.
Perhaps Scott, too.
What about you?
Victoire Pierre 1:15 pm
I am going to place a vote on Scott now, as to not 'ave the same problem as last time.
Sergey 1:15 pm
*nods*
Victoire Pierre 1:16 pm
I am willing to move it, but I do not feel particularly attached to the opinion John is not town.
Sergey 1:16 pm
I'm not convinced either way. I think he's town or third party, most likely.
That said, he's someone that the mafia could continually place their votes on.
I think lynching John would make a lot of people step up their opinions. I don't see a huge downside to him leaving.
Victoire Pierre 1:17 pm
I do not see a downside, other than I am pretty sure it would be a mislynch at this time.
Sergey 1:17 pm
*nods*
I think we can risk it at this point, given our current track record.
But I understand if other people differ.
Victoire Pierre 1:18 pm
Ouais.
I would rather lynch mafia straight in a row, mais if it does not 'appen, it does not 'appen.
Sergey 1:18 pm
Nadia, though, is someone else I'm considering voting. I explained it in Xaric's thread some, and I think Hester is working on a case.
*nods*
I'm just worried about the possibility of John continuing to stick around. Because it's really easy for people to just tunnel in on him, especially the newbies and/or mafia.
Victoire Pierre 1:19 pm
Ouais
Sergey 1:19 pm
Zhao's thread, rather.
Victoire Pierre 1:20 pm
I will re-read in a moment
Sergey 1:22 pm
Okay.
Victoire Pierre 1:25 pm
Ah, bien.
Sergey 1:25 pm
What do you think?
Victoire Pierre 1:27 pm
When was the public chat that you referenced?
Sergey 1:27 pm
Concerning what?
Victoire Pierre 1:27 pm
In addition, it appears that Nadia didn't push the lynch target that much. It's possible that she merely intended on putting a vote on her to make herself look more clear if Sincerity was eventually lynched. I don't see why any town would actively want to say that she "lead the charge" on her, because that puts yourself in a very dangerous situation. Nadia said just that (or something very similar) in the chat.
Sergey 1:28 pm
lead the charge? It was right after Sincerity was lynched.
Victoire Pierre 1:29 pm
D'accord.
Victoire Pierre 1:29 pm
I was not certain, the context sounds like the chat 'ad been occuring while you were posting
Sergey 1:29 pm
No, it occured shortly after the lynch.
It was odd to me why anyone would claim sole responsibility.
Or rather, responsibility for leading it.
Victoire Pierre 1:30 pm
Ouais.
Victoire Pierre 1:31 pm
I would distribute the responsibilty.
Sergey 1:31 pm
Right.
That's why I didn't like Zhao's question that much.
There's a reason why there is confusion about who lead the lynch.
Victoire Pierre 1:32 pm
*nod*
Victoire Pierre 1:33 pm
I understand that.
Sergey 1:34 pm
So, yes, I don't get why anyone would claim that.
Victoire Pierre 1:34 pm
Ouais
Unless there is a good reason to protect the original case maker, you would not want to claim being the lynch leader.
Sergey 1:36 pm
Right.
And I really don't think she was the lynch leader.
Victoire Pierre 1:37 pm
She 'ad the suspicion the longest, ouais.
Sergey 1:37 pm
Well, no.
I did.
Victoire Pierre 1:37 pm
I thought Nadia 'ad suspicions on Sincerity Day One
Sergey 1:37 pm
She did? Okay. Well, she certainly didn't bring them to the forefront.
Victoire Pierre 1:37 pm
Non, it was in a private chat avec moi
Sergey 1:37 pm
Okay.
Victoire Pierre 1:38 pm
Granted, the reasoning does not make much sense, in hindsight.
Sergey 1:38 pm
Right.
I guess I don't see why, if Nadia truly suspected Sincerity, she wouldn't push harder for her lynch.
It seems to me she just put her vote on her and then relaxed.
>_>
Victoire Pierre 1:39 pm
Ouais.
Victoire Pierre 1:40 pm
It seems like this is a can of WIFOM
Sergey 1:40 pm
Probably.
I'd like to see if Hester adds anything to it.
Victoire Pierre 1:41 pm
Moi aussi.
Sergey 1:41 pm
By the way, I've just been informed that I'm immune from the murder next round -- the mafia will know about it, so I'll probably make a public post sometime today.
Victoire Pierre 1:43 pm
Ouais, the mafia will probably be informed... mais it may be wise to keep the card in your 'and in case it is not.
It may be 'ow I play, mais I do not tell people when I 'ave extra things like 'it protections.
Sergey 1:45 pm
I asked Jordan and he said they will be informed.
There's no chance that they will not.
Victoire Pierre 1:45 pm
Bien
Victoire Pierre 1:45 pm
Alors, I would say go for it.
Sergey 1:45 pm
*nods*
Victoire Pierre 1:50 pm
What are your thoughts on Randi, Sergey?
Sergey 1:50 pm
I did not like her post in the explain your vote thread.
Victoire Pierre 1:50 pm
On Eddie?
Sergey 1:50 pm
It came off to me as a defense on why she didn't lynch Sincerity instead of why she lynched her current target.
Victoire Pierre 1:50 pm
Ouais
Sergey 1:51 pm
And I don't know why we would expect her to explain why she didn't lynch Sincerity.
She really wasn't going to go up until the very last minutes, and Randi assumingly cast her vote early in the day or the day before.
Victoire Pierre 1:51 pm
She even said she cast 'er vote the night before the lycnh.
*lynch
Sergey 1:52 pm
Right.
I just don't understand why she would want to defend not voting Sincerity. It seems odd.
Victoire Pierre 1:52 pm
*nod*
Victoire Pierre 2:03 pm
She did tell me something I found interesting, et I 'ad not thought about
[12:09] Randi: Yes <3. I'm wondering why I won it though. Do people not want me to vote or what?? I had voted for John to win that one, because he's just going to cast a weird vote anyway for either supporting his asian alliance or whatever.
Sergey 2:03 pm
Who was she suspicious of?
Victoire Pierre 2:03 pm
John keeps saying 'e is a vote, et that is 'ow 'e 'elps the town
Non, Although I did get that, too.
If John's vote 'ad been cancelled, we may 'ave been able to get something sensible out of 'im
Sergey 2:04 pm
Why would that be the case?
Victoire Pierre 2:05 pm
John is attached to 'is vote.
If 'e did not 'ave a vote, 'e might stop looking simply to vote with the asians
It might be a long shot, but it is one that was there, and I 'ad not thought about.
Sergey 2:07 pm
What would be the singificance of this?
Victoire Pierre 2:08 pm
Euh, the general thought was to get John to get 'is 'ead out of 'is derrière.
It would be easier to see if John was town, mafia, ou third party if 'e would speak on 'is own, without prompting, n'est-ce pas.
Sergey 2:09 pm
That's true.
I don't think anything would elicit that, though. >_>
Victoire Pierre 2:10 pm
It may 'ave been worth a shot<
Victoire Pierre 2:10 pm
*.
Were you interested in Randi's suspicions, then?
Sergey 2:11 pm
Yes.
Victoire Pierre 2:12 pm
'er main suspects are Bartok et Scott.
Sergey 2:12 pm
Bartok?
Why Bartok?
Victoire Pierre 2:13 pm
Ouais.
She does not appreciate Bartok wanting to get rid of lurkers on the second execution.
Sergey 2:13 pm
That's it?
Victoire Pierre 2:13 pm
That is all she told me.
Sergey 2:13 pm
Interesting.
Seems like to be a difference in playstyle rather than something that is suspicious.
But I suppose she has her reasons.
Victoire Pierre 2:14 pm
You and I are thinking along similar lines on that suspicion, then.
Sergey 2:14 pm
What? That it really isn't one?
Victoire Pierre 2:15 pm
Ouais.
Sergey 2:15 pm
*nods*
Victoire Pierre 2:17 pm
I am not certain if she maybe was trying to buddy up avec moi, because I listed my suspicions before she gave me those.
Sergey 2:17 pm
She's done that to me before.
Victoire Pierre 2:18 pm
Oh?
Sergey 2:18 pm
Yes, very early in the game. Agreed with me on suspicions.
And also agreed when I told her I thought that Scott was town based on a metagame reason.
Sergey 2:19 pm
Sergey (6:16:06 PM):But I know who Scott is.Sergey (6:16:08 PM):And that's how he talks.Sergey (6:16:22 PM):And everything about him seems to be more about his personality, except for his post in Susan's thread.Sergey (6:17:25 PM):Sorry, might have got bumped.Sergey (6:18:29 PM):What do you think?Randi Russell (6:19:53 PM):Yes, the more I've been thinking about it, I do think you're right <3
Victoire Pierre 2:21 pm
Interesting.
Sergey 2:22 pm
I found it odd.
Victoire Pierre 2:25 pm
It is strange.
Victoire Pierre 2:31 pm
Alors, I will be back later, Sergey.
Sergey 2:31 pm
Ok!
Later.
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Post by Sergey on Feb 20, 2011 22:13:51 GMT -6
Charlie Chen (mmg1charlie) has entered the room. 10:28 pm
Hester Zimmerman (mmg1hester) has entered the room. 10:28 pm
Sergey (mmg1sergey) has entered the room. 10:28 pm
Charlie Chen 10:28 pm
wassup
Sergey 10:28 pm
Hello.
Hester Zimmerman 10:28 pm
What is it...a very loose informal alliance?
Charlie Chen 10:29 pm
nopeeee
mind meld if anything LAWL
Hester Zimmerman 10:29 pm
Okay.
Charlie Chen 10:29 pm
im not interestd in making an alliance with any1 LAWL
i think they conflict with scum huntin
ok so hester u said u had some thots about the matter?
Hester Zimmerman 10:30 pm
Yeah.
Hester Zimmerman 10:30 pm
I agree with your point about it seeming scummy to vote you negative while not believing you're scum. That just, as you said, helps scum.
My counterpoint (I argue everything with myself) is that Romeo didn't have to tell you that.
Charlie Chen 10:31 pm
ya.
Hester Zimmerman 10:31 pm
But he did know Dino wanted the box and how badly.
Sergey 10:31 pm
My counterpoint to Hester was that we had no idea what you were getting at when you asked us everything.
Charlie Chen 10:32 pm
ya
Hester Zimmerman 10:32 pm
And tonight he was asking me if I got the investigation and when I had to use it by.
Charlie Chen 10:32 pm
i included all the information except the name of the person i wuz talking abotut ho
Hester Zimmerman 10:33 pm
Charlie, why did you automatically assume someone in the crew negged you on that?
Votes weren't given out.
Charlie Chen 10:33 pm
rite
well i have been suspect that 1 person in the crew is maf for a while but i wuznt sure who and why i thot that
Hester Zimmerman (mmg1hester) has left the room. 10:34 pm
Hester Zimmerman (mmg1hester) has entered the room. 10:34 pm
Charlie Chen 10:34 pm
so i only told dino and a few other ppl (with whom i trust moar than the crew as a whol) that i wanted the box
i didnt think that some1 in the crew negged me necessarily
but that they told the maf and ALL the maf negged me
Charlie Chen 10:35 pm
but tech. that wuld include the 1 in the crew
Sergey 10:35 pm
Are you sure the other people didn't tell anyone?
Hester Zimmerman 10:35 pm
Okay, but for all we know Dino won the box because 4 of us voted for him for it, and every other player voted themselves for it.
Charlie Chen 10:36 pm
no. i havent asked yet, but the crew wuz on so i wuz going to ask
Hester Zimmerman 10:36 pm
The negs don't mean that's the reason you didn't get the box.
Charlie Chen 10:36 pm
no
2 ppl told me they voted for me
plus dino told me he had like 10 ppl voting him
Hester Zimmerman 10:36 pm
Did you vote for yourself?
Charlie Chen 10:36 pm
obv not all were lying
i mean
not all were telling the truth
Charlie Chen 10:37 pm
but most wuld
and ya
of course
Hester Zimmerman 10:37 pm
Okay. The more I think about this the less sense it makes to me, honestly.
Charlie Chen 10:37 pm
i negged nadia
ok
Hester Zimmerman (mmg1hester) has left the room. 10:38 pm
Hester Zimmerman (mmg1hester) has entered the room. 10:38 pm
Hester Zimmerman 10:38 pm
Why do we believe Dino that he had 10 people voting for him?
Charlie Chen 10:38 pm
i think that wuz an exageration but lemme checcck
Hester Zimmerman 10:39 pm
Okay.
Charlie Chen 10:39 pm
[21:08] Dino Sordentini: I supposedly have like 10 diff people giving it to me XD
Sergey 10:40 pm
Yes, that probably was an exaggeration.
But I don't doubt that he wouldn't have got if he survived the murder.
Charlie Chen 10:40 pm
but im sure he meant moar than the 3 in crew
Sergey 10:40 pm
Right. I'm guessing Harriet voted for him.
Charlie Chen 10:41 pm
i wuz gonna go around asking ppl
and still plan to
or i mite just post a question
Hester Zimmerman 10:42 pm
Okay. I only think Romeo is scum if I die. Because he was questioning when/if I would use the investigative power.
Charlie Chen 10:42 pm
hmm..
tbh idk if i find that suspicious
Charlie Chen 10:44 pm
like i realize i think hes suspect but idk if thats a good point. i figure the crew is close and wuld share that sort of info
Hester Zimmerman 10:46 pm
I guess I'm just paranoid because I think i'm going to die next murder.
Charlie Chen 10:48 pm
well if sergey is immune (idk if u won that but i dont mind if u dont tell me LAWL) then ya i wuld be worried but dont stress 2 much, it culd be me LAWL
Sergey 10:48 pm
I won it.
Charlie Chen 10:48 pm
k ya i figured.
Hester Zimmerman 10:49 pm
Oh well, sometimes the best thing you can do for town is die. :-(
Charlie Chen 10:49 pm
ehhh
i wuldve been fine dying yesterday
nao i dont want to
Hester Zimmerman 10:50 pm
Why?
Charlie Chen 10:50 pm
becuz i think im getting closer
Hester Zimmerman 10:50 pm
To finding scum?
Charlie Chen 10:50 pm
ya.
Charlie Chen 10:50 pm
speaking of which did either of u guys tell romeo that i am suspecting him?
becuz id like to gather moar information first
Sergey 10:51 pm
Nope.
Charlie Chen 10:51 pm
but its ok if u did
Hester Zimmerman 10:52 pm
I did, actually. I'm sorry.
Charlie Chen 10:52 pm
ok.
thats fine LAWL..
hes gonna be moar cautious tho.
Hester Zimmerman 10:53 pm
I didn't say you suspect him so much as you found the negative vote suspicious.
Charlie Chen 10:53 pm
oh ok.
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Hester Zimmerman (mmg1hester) has entered the room. 10:58 pm
Hester Zimmerman 10:58 pm
All right. I've got to go...good luck with this and I'm sorry if I spilled the beans too soon.
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Post by Sergey on Feb 22, 2011 14:22:42 GMT -6
Sergey 2:36 pm
Hello, Hal.
I'm not going to post my votes because I agree with Hester and Chuck on this one.
Hal Benjamin 2:36 pm
Hi Sergey!
Okay.
Sergey 2:37 pm
I will reveal my mystery box in the other thread.
Hal Benjamin 2:37 pm
Exciting!
Oh wait, you're not saying that you have the mystery box.
Sergey 2:37 pm
No.
I'm really afraid that this whole vote thing is going to become a big distraction.
Mafia is going to lie about it no matter what.
It's going to become like timelining the traitor.
Hal Benjamin 2:38 pm
I feel like the information is most usefu lif we have full buy-in.
Which it sounds like we won't.
Sergey 2:38 pm
Yes, and your post I read in the thread. You said "if we continue posting our cases."
I don't think very many people are posting their cases.
>_>
Hal Benjamin 2:39 pm
Heh, that too.
Sergey 2:39 pm
So the mafia would find it hard to piece together who trusted who from just the board.
Hal Benjamin 2:40 pm
But in theory there should be a healthy information flow.
Sergey 2:40 pm
I suppose, but we're not talking about theory. We're talking about what is happening now.
Hal Benjamin 2:41 pm
So I guess the point I was trying to make - are we playing a game where our information is locked down tight, or do we want to be open? I suggest the latter. We wouldn't look down on someone posting cases on people.
Sergey 2:41 pm
Well, it depends on what type of information we're talking about.
There's information between town that shouldn't be revealed publicly.
That's the main reason why I'm not posting my stuff. >_>
Hal Benjamin 2:41 pm
What sort of information? Role-related, I suppose.
Sergey 2:41 pm
Yes.
Exactly.
Hal Benjamin 2:42 pm
Sure - I'll buy that.
Sergey 2:42 pm
Also - do you think the mafia killed Dyno in order to legitimize his suspicions?
Hal Benjamin 2:43 pm
I don't believe we can look too closely into the Mafia's motivations behind their murders. That's a WIFOM game to play.
I think they killed Dino because he was active and organized.
Less organization is the town in pro-mafia.
Sergey 2:44 pm
True, I just see one of the reasons why you are voting Chuck is because of "Dyno's recent inquisition" of him and I can't help but to think that his death has helped legitimize that whole topic.
Hal Benjamin 2:44 pm
Yeah, that could be a source of bias in my reasoning.
Hal Benjamin 2:45 pm
I should point out that I'm not 100% voting for Chuck. That's just where my suspicion lies at the time.
Just trying to get the ball rolling.
Sergey 2:45 pm
Also I don't think that this vote was a blindside. I know it's a matter of semantics but some of us had legit suspicions against Sincerity beforehand, and she had a opportunity to defend herself for a long time.
I think a blindside is more of someone who "didn't see it coming" i.e. the Survivor term.
Hal Benjamin 2:46 pm
Right, this maneuver needs a different term.
Sergey 2:46 pm
I guess you could say that Sincerity maybe didn't see it coming, though, but it's not like the suspicions against her weren't already there.
Hal Benjamin 2:46 pm
It was a last minute surge.
Sergey 2:46 pm
last minute serge.
and then we'll settle on it.
*smirks*
Hal Benjamin 2:46 pm
It was a blind-ish side
Sergey 2:46 pm
I think that some are more suspect, though, especially those who voted her without having any suspicion on her before that day.
That said, Dyno was one of the people who didn't have suspicion of her and he's obviously town.
Hal Benjamin 2:47 pm
But I also think we need to be looking at the people who didn't vote Sincerity. If there were two mafiosos who voted for Sincerity, they could have flipped and gotten rid of John.
Sergey 2:48 pm
Right.
However, here's another thing about the Sincerity voters.
If they were indeed mafia, I think it was a bad play. Because we didn't know if the votes were there until they were read, really.
They could've easily voted someone else, especially since Sincerity had the tiebreaker.
Hal Benjamin 2:49 pm
I know - that's what makes analysis of the votes difficult in a last-minute surge scenario.
Sergey 2:49 pm
Chuck, for example, voted at the very last minute - his vote actually wasn't Sincerity until Jordan corrected it the next day because it was so close.
Hal Benjamin 2:50 pm
Oh, I didn't know that. What was the timeline?
Were the original results posted with Chuck not voting Sincerity?
Sergey 2:50 pm
Correct.
Hal Benjamin 2:50 pm
Very interesting.
Sergey 2:50 pm
*nods*
Hal Benjamin 2:50 pm
Who had he voted for?
Sergey 2:50 pm
I'm not sure, you'll have to ask him.
I think it may have been John.
Hal Benjamin 2:51 pm
Probably.
See, that's what rings out at me.
Sergey 2:51 pm
I can see how it does.
But I don't know -- the fact that Jordan admitted it as a mistake really just makes me think that he miscounted the vote.
Sergey 2:52 pm
I literally submitted my vote at the last minute as well.
Hal Benjamin 2:52 pm
So how did the rallying go down? Who did you ask to vote Sincerity?
Were there people that you rallied that didn't?
Sergey 2:52 pm
Basically what happened was that I was talking publicly and privately with Romeo and Harriet.
And we both came to the conclusion that both lynch targets weren't who we wanted to leave.
I bought Chuck's defense - I did, and I still do.
So Dyno logs on and summons Romeo and I to a chat.
And we talk about who we're voting for in that chat and with each other and decide on Sincerity.
And then Harriet was on board as well as Flava (I'm not sure when exactly Flava got on board with that).
Hal Benjamin 2:54 pm
So Romeo/Harriet/Dino/Sergey/Flava
Nadia joins aboard somewhere
Sergey 2:55 pm
Nadia had her vote on at the very beginning.
Hal Benjamin 2:55 pm
Right
Sergey 2:55 pm
And Hester was online as well, on her phone.
Hal Benjamin 2:55 pm
Chuck sees what is going on in the public chat
Switches his self-preservation vote
Sergey 2:55 pm
I was also talking to him privately.
Hal Benjamin 2:55 pm
Okay
Sergey 2:55 pm
Regarding Sincerity and all.
And, yes, he switches his self-preservation vote to Sincerity at the last minute.
If he was scum, I don't think that he would do that.
Unless John is also scum.
Hal Benjamin 2:57 pm
So, among those Sincerity voters, who are you the most suspicious of? Are you on the anti-Nadia train?
Sergey 2:57 pm
Right now, yes.
Hal Benjamin 2:57 pm
Er, don't mean to call it a train.
That's a loaded word.
Sergey 2:57 pm
Semantics.
I don't like how she had her vote on Sincerity the whole time and yet wasn't really pushing the lynch, at least in my mind.
And then she claimed afterward that she did.
Hal Benjamin 2:58 pm
I do harbor suspicion for her as well - her argument with Hester doesn't help her at all.
Sergey 2:58 pm
I think that she was trying to put a vote on her that would look better later if Sincerity was lynched before her.
And I think that by the time the votes actually started coming in, she couldn't switch that vote because it would be very suspicious.
I also don't like how Sincerity was suspicious of her, and then after she joined the mafia she seemed to dial it down a bit in favor of John.
Sergey 3:00 pm
Part of it also stems from the fact that I do think that Chuck and Hester are town and I don't like how they're going after them, especially Hester.
they being Flava/Randi/Nadia.
Hal Benjamin 3:02 pm
I have a hard time looking at Flava too seriously at this point.
Sergey 3:02 pm
Yes, me too.
Hal Benjamin 3:02 pm
I see him as someone who is easily influenced.
Sergey 3:02 pm
I agree.
Hal Benjamin 3:02 pm
What do you think about my suggestion re: Randi?
I'm not sure I'm sold on it myself.
But I wanted to hear other thoughts.
Sergey 3:02 pm
I don't know, Randi is one of my side suspicions.
I don't like how she seems to have got these suspicions of Harriet and Hester in the last day, when she hasn't got a vote to give.
It strikes me as stirring the pot.
Hal Benjamin 3:03 pm
And I do think there's potential value in handing the tiebreaker off again.
Sergey 3:03 pm
And I hated her post about why she "didn't vote for Sincerity" in the Explain Your Vote thread.
Hal Benjamin 3:03 pm
I should go read that again.
Sergey 3:03 pm
Nobody needs you to explain that.
She voted the day before everything went down.
That'd be like asking everyone who didn't vote for Sincerity why you didn't vote.
Hal Benjamin 3:04 pm
That's a good point - that's a weird kind of proactive.
Sergey 3:05 pm
It's just dumbfounding -- if she's scum, it's basically trying to say "here's why I didn't vote for my scumbuddy."
I don't know if that's too obvious of a mafia tactic or not.
Also, her invisibility thread regarding Sincerity is curious now especially since she didn't really follow up on it.
It's impossible to figure out when Sincerity actually became aware to the mafia, but her dropping her before the Susan vote is kinda odd now.
Hal Benjamin 3:06 pm
That's another great point.
Sergey 3:06 pm
She also seems to be easily swayed, though.
Hal Benjamin 3:06 pm
There was a stage when Mafia was anti-Sincerity.
Sergey 3:06 pm
She had suspicions against Charlie and Scott in Round 1.
And both of those aren't around anymore.
Hal Benjamin 3:07 pm
She being?
Sergey 3:07 pm
Randi.
Here, I'll show you the piece of the conversation in my case thread that struck me as odd.
*Scott. The first thing he says to me after allignments are handed out was a little strange, in my opinion. mmg1scott (7:20:13 PM): A short distance away from Vegas. Close enough that I can visit if I want, far enough that tourists don't usually come near. mmg1randi (7:26:31 PM): I'm not sure anyone would want to step that far outside of Las Vegas! I've flown over that desert many a time. All that is out there is lonliness and desolation. mmg1randi (7:26:38 PM): It has a rustic beauty though <3 mmg1scott (8:52:10 PM): Well looks like things are moving along now. mmg1randi (8:53:33 PM): I know! God, as soon as the roles were announced, people started just leaving the chat or doing whatever! mmg1scott (8:53:58 PM): Quite silly if you ask me. mmg1scott (8:54:16 PM): Youngsters, always in a rush to go off somewhere. Randi Russell 6:13 pm I dont get why he said things are moving along now, because as soon as allignments were handed out, everyone stopped talking to me! Or maybe I'm just reading too much into things. What do you think? Sergey 6:16 pm I'm going to be completely honest with you, and this is harmful metagame bullshit. But I know who Scott is. And that's how he talks. And everything about him seems to be more about his personality, except for his post in Susan's thread. Sorry, might have got bumped
Sergey (6:32:47 PM): Wow.
Sergey (6:33:12 PM): Then...
Sergey (6:33:13 PM): Randi Russell 6:19 pm
Yes, the more I've been thinking about it, I do think you're right <3.
At this point, I would say my biggest suspicions would be for Charlie or Eddie.
So basically I explained to her why I didn't suspect Scott at that point for a personal metagame reason.
And then she bought my reason for it.
Hal Benjamin 3:09 pm
And you think that it was too easy to sell her that argument?
Sergey 3:09 pm
I do.
Hal Benjamin 3:09 pm
I guess I'm not as compelled by that one.
Sergey 3:09 pm
I wouldn't take it as reason to drop my suspicion of someone else. If I told you that I don't suspect Scott because of a personal, metagame reason, I certainly wouldn't expect you to drop your suspicions.
Hal Benjamin 3:09 pm
Maybe I haven't internalized it yet.
Sergey 3:10 pm
That's sort of like saying "Yes, my gut on Scott is town."
I mean, it's not altogether like that, but it's a reason that can't really be proven.
Sergey 3:11 pm
Regarding your idea about the tiebreaker, that could work, although if she was mafia that'd defeat the purpose -- though we would be getting a mafia.
>_>
Hal Benjamin 3:11 pm
Right - it's potentially win-win
Or, win-(half-lose)
Sergey 3:12 pm
Although, who is to say that she doesn't give the tiebreaker to a mafia if she's town?
Hal Benjamin 3:12 pm
At least we could agree that she'd give it to someone we all trusted
Charlie, or you.
Sergey 3:12 pm
That's true but even then you can't really say that we're cleared town.
Hal Benjamin 3:12 pm
Right, but I'd feel much better about it if the group had input.
Sergey 3:13 pm
*nods*
That's true. Would Randi do that, though?
That sort of relies on her not being pissed off about her being lynched.
Hal Benjamin 3:13 pm
I know I'd not play spitefully if I got lynched.
Sergey 3:13 pm
Right.
Hal Benjamin 3:14 pm
But that's me.
Sergey 3:14 pm
But that's not convincing - it's a personal reason. *smirks*
Hal Benjamin 3:15 pm
Anyhow, I think the tiebreaker is more important is lynches were on even rounds.
*if lynches
it would make the difference between losing at 8 and losing at 6.
Sergey 3:15 pm
It'll be more important down the road.
Hal Benjamin 3:15 pm
I suppose we can expect that Randi will never be murdered.
Sergey 3:16 pm
I'd agree with that.
At least for now.
Hal Benjamin 3:16 pm
Anyhow, I think it would be hard to drum up support against Randi right now unless there was a more solid case against her.
Sergey 3:17 pm
I agree.
She's one of my side suspicions and there's a chance she'll move up to a solid one depending on the outcome tonight.
Hal Benjamin 3:20 pm
I have to head out for a few minutes.
I'll talk to you more this afternoon.
Sergey 3:20 pm
Alright. Later.
Hal Benjamin 3:21 pm
Thanks for all your help, by the way. I very much see you as town.
I hope you're able to survive some murders. :-)
Sergey 3:21 pm
We'll see. I'm immune from this one, though.
So that's good.
Hal Benjamin 3:21 pm
Excellent! I don't think I knew that.
I must be off.
Goodbye!
Sergey 3:22 pm
Later.
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